Surface Laptop 3 showdown: AMD vs Intel!!

Mark got a rare opportunity to compare both the AMD and Intel versions of Microsoft’s Surface Laptop 3. Which one is better? Can AMD hang with Intel in the mobile space? Check out this awesome fight to find out!

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  1. it's a very helpful comparison (I'll probably buy an SL3B today, actually) but I'd like to see a more comprehensive battery test. As I recall, PCW uses a video loop (correct me if I'm wrong), which is a perfectly worthwhile test (for those international flights), but an office productivity and web browsing battery test would really give a more detailed picture, particularly when comparing between two very different CPUs.

  2. I think the conclusion is mostly right, but how you got there…

    You can't conclude that Intel's new Iris Plus is the better GPU based on 3DMark alone, it's not enough data. Other reviews show the two chips trading wins in actual game testing, suggesting it's basically a tie on the GPU front.

    Your description of Cinebench suggests you don't really understand it? I mean… "it's a universal benchmark used in mobile, as well as the desktop and workstations, and it shows, over a brief sprint, how each core performs when put the test" ??? You could have spent 30 seconds on Maxon's website to get the gist and saved that waffle. It just screams you don't know what you're doing, which clearly isn't the case.

    Other little issues like… you called out testing with the performance power profile, but was that enabled for the battery life test? Were drivers updated for both machines? Was the Intel=provided machine re-imaged to avoid tampering? Did Intel or Microsoft influence the benchmark/test roster in any way? You didn't provide any details about the handbrake test other than the codec? etc.

    Ice Lake is better than Zen+ for sure (knew that without the video!), but this presentation gave me zero confidence in your testing and findings.

    It's not Verge bad, but jeez!

  3. what the hell is this oldtimer talking about. USB-C supports up to 4K @60Hz if all 4 high speed lanes are utilised for Displayport traffic (leaving the dedicated USB 2.0 pins for any connected pheriphals). Dual 4K @60Hz is possible with all 2019 Surface models due to HBR3 support. Puts everything else he said in doubt and questions his qualification to present such "complicated" topics in the first place.

  4. Intel clearly wins this time. But the comparison was kind of a role reversal: We saw last year's 12nm Zen+ againts Intel's newest 10nm Ice Lake. All the performance comparisons produced advantages of 20% or less for Intel. The 15% IPC improvements of Zen2 are enough to close almost all of these gaps, and slighty higher clocks will do the rest. It's a pity that Zen2 in APU form isn't ready yet.

    As for the battery life: I think Intel will stay ahead even against TSMC's 7nm process. AMD still hasn't enough experience with mobile power management. The gap will narrow down, but Intel will stay ahead.

  5. Awesome review!
    Given the lack of thunderbolt though, it's not that future proof is it?
    Who would you recommend the SL3 for?
    I'm currently comparing the business version 15 inch with the 14 inch Lenovo C940 and can't really make out which is a better buy…

  6. Mobile is harder than one might think. Power consumption is crucial. Efficiency is crucial. And not only CPU efficiency but also GPU. And Intel iGPUs are very efficient, if not that performant. Also, platform power and optimizations are extremely important. So I wouldn't say that Zen 2 in mobile is the default winner, we shall see.
    Anyway, this laptop is the best implementation ever that Zen+ will see. It is a custom chip and it shows in the good performance compared to the normal Zen cpu lineup, but it is not enough.

  7. So you think it is amazing that an Intel 25w tdp cpu out performs a 15w tdp AMD cpu??? I am getting 25w based on the chart PCWorld published in an August 1 video… and per AMD the SE is a 15w tdp…. You forgot to mention that in your comparision… so you are comparing apples and watermelons… so much for PC World giving an honest review… LOL…. (did Intel provide both laptops to bias the results or did you choose badly?)

  8. Had AMD had 7nm parts out by its launch, or had the 15" been delayed till then, there may have been more of a point to the 15. As it stands, the barely better than Ice Lake IGP graphics don't much justify the worse battery life, especially compared to Intels really low power video playback. The 15" isn't a bad product per se, but the storage upgrade pricing makes both the product and the price underwhelming.

  9. The fact that it's still on Zen+, not Zen 2 is not really a fair comparison to the latest of Intel's offerings, I would have compared it to the last model of the Surface to give it a better chance. AMD is holding back on the APUs and it's not helping their stance in the laptops scene which is still dominated by Intel

  10. 2:49 yeah it's the opportunity for intel to save some of it reputation after two days ago disaster with Core i9 10980XE embarrassments introduction well done intel you didn't lost your marketing skills yet , but honesty 10980XE joke will remains for very very long time guys .

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